matej Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 any advice on which clutch + flywheel to choose?folks at team-integra were discussing the flywheel weight as well....would be nice to get the weight from jalesi of his stock flywheel as a comparison (the gsr integra should be the same though as the mb6 one)...also it seems that high mileage will reduce the flywheel weight due to wear...seems like the new stock is 18lbswell after reading this thread on honda-tech (F1 Racing and XTD clutches) I am not so sure about any of those clutches I was looking at...lots of mixed reviews (mainly negative) on the xtd and also on the f1 racing clutches...and some are really horrifying. Anybody considering them should read that thread. Seems like the F1 is probably the better one out of those 2, but still might be worth getting at least exedy beacause of the quality but of course you would have to settle to oem grade to be in the same price range as those stage 2 from xtd and f1 racing. Or going for some quality stuff like ACT, Clutchmasters etc, but that's big bucks for me and it might not be ideal for my near stock car anyway. There were some positive reviews on them too, but only a few compared to how many were negative. Might be related to how you drive your can and how you drive it during the break-in period of the clucth. However there were just too many reviews about xtd going off after just few thousand miles. One even after one thousand miles. So that seems like too much of a risk for me since I value durability more than the performance aspect (since my car is daily driver and fairly stock motor)considering the reviews at honda-tech I probably would go for either one of these:EXEDY CLUTCH KIT& RACING FLYWHEEL 94-01 INTEGRA B16 B18exedy oem clutch + f1 racing flywheel 9.5lbs - 219usdEXEDY CLUTCH KIT& ALUM FLYWHEEL 94-01 ACURA INTEGRA B18exedy oem clutch + f1 racing flywheel 8lbs - 231usdEXEDY CLUTCH KIT& FIDANZA FLYWHEEL INTEGRA GSR TYPE-Rexedy oem clutch + fidanza flywheel 7,5lbs - 249usdEXEDY CLUTCH & EXEDY RACING FLYWHEEL 94-01 INTEGRA B18exedy oem clutch + exedy flywheel 9,46lbs - 299usdmore comments on the clutch / flywheel are welomed. I will probably go for the exedy oem clutch + flywheel kit for 219,249 or 299 casue I want to keep my budget low and don't really want to exceed the price of oem honda stuff (mean the clutch, the oem honda flywheel is too expensive). I need to look at genuine ITR DC2 clutch to see the price as that might be a safe and reliable route that works. The only problem is the flywheel. The flywheel when purchased out of the kit with clutch is quite expensive and it seems you need to change or at least resurface the flywheel when changing clutch. So it is much more economical to get exedy oem clutch with flywheel than to get oem honda clutch and some aftermarket flywheel alone.looking at the 2007 EPC the prices for mb6 clutch parts are (excluding VAT)pressure plate 117 eurofriction plate 113 euroclutch release bearing 42 euroflywheel (including pilot bearing) 388 euroso that 270euro + VAT for the OEM MB6 clutch. That flywheel is way overpriced imho. You can get a high quality one for considerably less (ACT streetlite is 200usd)the ITR OEM clutch parts are (excluding VAT)pressure plate 117 eurofriction plate 125 euroflywheel (including pilot bearing) 403 euroIf I go for the exedy oem clutch I will probably go for the 9,5lbs flywheel from Exedy or F1 Racing. I've read that the aluminium flywheels have the teeth ring just pressed to the flywheel so there is a small posibility of the ring getting separated fromt the flywheel. Also I don't want the driveablity reduced too much since I've never used a lightened flywheel and don't know what to expect. The exedy oem clutch + fidanza flywheel is a combination being widely recommended by many honda guys. But I don't know what to expect from that much ligher flywheel. So I am kinda stuck on the decision if I want to use the recommended exedy eom clutch + fidanza 7,5lbs for 249 or If I will rather use the more safe and slightly heavier chromoly steel flywheel. If I go steel I have to decide between F1 Racing chromoly-steel one that weights 9,5lbs for 219usd (including exedy oem clutch) or the same spec one from Exedy that costs 299usd (including the exedy oem clutch).after what I've read I probably wouldn't buy the f1 racing clutch, but maybe the flywheel is ok. The description for F1 Racing chromoly steel flywheel is almost exactly the same as for the Exedy flyhwheel. The only thing that differs is the claim of the rpm certified for the flywheel (12000 vs 15000 in favour of Exedy one). I suspect the gripforce just copy pasted the descirption from one of them to the other. Probably from the exedy flywheel description to the f1 racing description.What is your opinion on the f1 racing vs exedy flywheel? The price difference is not that small since the flywheel specs seems to be almost identical. I am not sure if I can settle for the f1 racing without compromising quality or durability of the setup. I need to choose some that is in the kit with exedy oem clutch since the flywheel alone is much more expensive and I also need to ship the parts together from one seller since the shipping from states to my country is 125-150usd. I looked and gripforce shop and they don't offer any other flywheels than f1 racing, fidanza and exedy. I think the 12lbs would be ideal since the stock GSR (same as mb6) flywheel is 18lbs and the ITR one is 13-14. But since they don't offer any in that +-12 range I want to get as close as I can from their parts. The ACT that offers only two flywheels state this:ACT Streetlite / 12.5 lbs.- Preferred for Street and Drag Racing- Improved throttle response and acceleration- Considerably lighter than stock- Most durable flywheel available- Good drivabilityACT Prolite / 8.8 lbs.- Preferred for Road Racing or minimum inertia- Quick throttle response and acceleration- Lightest with lowest inertia- Reduced drivabilityfrom what I've read some recommend going for 10-12 lbs flywheel to keep the driveability same as stock. Others on the other hand say that even the very light ones like fidanza 7.5lbs works great and the driveability is not really hurt. I guess it depends on the style how you drive. Some say that with the ultra light flywheels the rpm drop too quickly when changing gears slowly at lower rpms. On the other hand the revmatching when downshifting is greatly improved. Anyone of you guys drove a car with a lightened flywheel and can give me some feedbacks? I like to think of myself as a fairly sports oriented driver but of course I don't drive hard every time. I like to play with my car and revmatch during shifting but on the other hand I want to be my car to be able to drive peacefully if I want to. But since I want to purchase the ITR box I will be shifitng even more and due to the closer gear ratios I would need to revmatch more precisely but since the gears will be closer I probably won't need the rpm to drop as fast as if I still had the s9b box that have bigger gaps between gears. There are just too many facors related to the decision and I don't have enough experience with aftermarket parts to be able to decide correctly. Sorry for the long post again, but I don't expect you to do as much research on this subject (many threads on various honda/acura forums) so I am writing the main points that I've summerized from my research. Hope that someone can find enough time (10mins) to read it and help me with my choice.And btw in one thread there was also a guy saying that clutch release bearing from the exedy oem clutch kit got noisy after a short time, so it might be wise to get the proper oem honda clutch release bearing and using that one instead of the one provided in the exedy oem clutch kit. Even when the exedy is made in japan and should be oem quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matej Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 noone can give me any advice? I've read that there was a group buy here on the Fidanza flywheel and for example the cragb has it in his 240whp turbo car.does it give any clutch chatter with the flywheel? Is the lower end torque that much worse with it? What is the feel of a near stock car with it? When I shift up the stock flywheel seems to match pretty well and the revs drop pretty much where needed but when downshifting it could be little faster. I will definitely go at least for the ITR flywheel which is 14lbs especially since I am getting the ITR box.luckally my clutch isn't slipping anymore, but guess those 2-3 slips I had in one day was the first warning of the clutch wearing, so I will need to resolve it in future. Especially if I can get hold of the ITR gearbox I will want to swap the clucth and flywheel anyway so I need some advice guys. I've shortened the post, but I know it's still long, but so many questions and so little answers ;o] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civicturbo79 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I have used the cheap and the expensive clutch from the states and they are all good if you go for a 6 plate paddle the are very on/off and do judder on pull off in slow traffic as they are for 6000 rpm pull off's from a start line some were. so i would just go for a states one single plate unless you are going turbo that is in the future them go for a 6 plate paddle . As for flywheels agin they are all good but on a standard engine you will loose low end torque . unless you are planning a full lightened n/a build there is not really any need to change the flywheel . Just get you old one check to make sure its balanced once you have removed it . Rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matej Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 ok Rich, so I'll probably dump the idea on light flywheel. If I can source the ITR box from the jdm breakers I will ask if he can also get me the ITR flywheel from the crashed car (unless he would ask for a lot for it) and if not I would probably just use my old one. But since I won't be in need of a new flywheel the clutch alone from states would actually cost more with shipping than the OEM ITR clutch so I may as well stick to OEM Honda clutch and get it here. I guess it will last longer than the Exedy stage 1 and will be cheaper. Since I don't plan going turbo I won't need even the stage 1 and there probably isn't much difference except for stiffer feel that is already stiff enough for me on the mb6/itr oem clutch.I hope my clutch will last some time and so I will wait until I have the ITR box with my clutch change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b18 cny Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 help today i was driving my m and i seem to have losts power. i was geting 100 in 3rd now its hrd to get 80 but my clutch dosent feel like it is sliping and the revs dont seem that mutch higer ither but. when going from 2nd to 3rd it crunches bdly could this be my presure plate also how hard is it to do the clutch on the mb6s im quite hndy with the tools.cheers guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civicturbo79 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Its is more than likely the pressure plate mate . to do the clutch on the floor is a hard job really you will have to remove the gearbox its about a 4 hour job . with a ramp and air tool i can do it in 2 . Rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b18 cny Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Thanks for that mate, priced a clutch up tdy £138.for standard clutch. so gona save me money as i need loads of parts now mainly just steering and suspension parts.about £500 all in thats inc the clutch.so it will be a while till i get to upgrade my m just wana git it sorted befor i do mods. 1"£££$££"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tontvti Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 £138? is that a reputable make.I'm looking at the ACT organic HD one of the Exedy stage 1 if I can get it cheap enough.A genuine Honda one costs more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b18 cny Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Dont have a clue mate, i just got a price from my local motor factor.At least i know that it will fit without any hassel.And there only down the road if there is a problem.do you think its over priced as this is were i get all my parts from they are blue print parts.as i cant seem to find many parts on ebay .they all seem to charge more for the mbs for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tontvti Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Seems the right price for a pattern clutchhttp://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Honda ... lutch-kitsAnyone know what brand Honda officially use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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