[MC2 Project - Chassis prep]

Brief update - cage is finished!!! Still lots of small jobs to do before I can pick the chassis up but it''s looking good so far.

Starting at the business end, seat rails for driver (and possible passenger ) are in. You can just about see here the cage is also welded back to the B pillars

Dash brace and steering column mount is welded up, even managed to keep the steering wheel tilt for extra adjustment

Rear seat pan cut out to mount fuel cell. New tray dropped through to be welded in and edges fitted so a bit of work left here to do

Lots of triangular goodness going on

And finally the A pillar fillet plates are in and welded solid

Now itching to get the chassis back and into paint!!!!

[Who's Got What Manifold Poll!]

4-2-1, after seeing a few 4-1 systems hit the floor I wanted to be safe

Mine has never hit the floor, but i'm not that low.

I plan on running a few curbs on track, don't want to damage the exhaust in the process

Good man

Also my 4-1 is loud, you wouldn't want to fail the noise limits on tracks

Ah, but does your VTEC Go BWAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

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shy bairnes get nee cake as they say around these parts

aye, that's the fella. let me know when you're sorted with it coz I'm deffo in the market for one

Don't ask, don't get. No worries, PM'd you back

[mb2 build up..Starter problem!]

Looking good. I hate doing bodywork, never looks right until the last coat of paint goes on and then it shows any bits you miss! I'll leave mine to the bodyshop

[Who's Got What Manifold Poll!]

4-2-1, after seeing a few 4-1 systems hit the floor I wanted to be safe

Mine has never hit the floor, but i'm not that low.

I plan on running a few curbs on track, don't want to damage the exhaust in the process

[Who's Got What Manifold Poll!]

4-2-1, after seeing a few 4-1 systems hit the floor I wanted to be safe

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good bit of progress bud - don't suppose that you've now got a fuel feed line going spare after changing the tank?

if the tank's in good nick (and you don't want to keep it) might be worthwhile seeing if anyone wants to buy - new ones are pretty hard to come by (I had to get one from a scrappy)

I will have loads of bits going up for sale once the chassis is back. I have tried to remove every part of the car carefully just in case I either:

a) need to put it back on for some reason or

get to sell it

I take it you are after the high pressure feed line with the plastic fitting at the tank end and screw in fitting to the fuel filter at the other? Sure we can sort something Tank is in solid condition, actually one of the few pieces I have in the garage!

^^^^^^^ very subtle

Like being hit by a slice of lemon, wrapped around a gold brick

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they are adding 2km to the ring

How? They were in so much debt and they now want to change it?!?!? Hopefully there will be an update on GT5

http://www.bridgetogantry.com/2/index.p ... t-the-ring

'Tis only resurfacing apparently- the German words with metre figures next to them are existing sections of the track and a indication of the length of the new surface. I am suprised they can afford it though- perhaps it's in secret preparation for turning it into a car park/retail units/ business park a la Brooklands .

Good idea to use the fuel tank to drop the COG, I think the level of detail on this build will pay big dividends in the end result.

Ahhh, that makes more sense. As long as they use decent tarmac then it should still be good, but I hope it isn't preparation to make it into a shops etc!

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Dude!

Sweet!

I just want it back now so I can get everything painted! Work is quality though. On the welding I asked what type they used - cage to cage is TIG, cage to car is MIG.

quote:

A bit of swearing later and the old fuel tank was ready to drop off the chassis

Brings back memories even more fun trying to get it up again with fuel in and on your back on your own

looks very pro work going on there

I was lucky as there was very little left in the tank when I dropped it off the car but I can see it being a pain to refit. I had trouble removing the filler neck pipes from the tank

they are adding 2km to the ring

How? They were in so much debt and they now want to change it?!?!? Hopefully there will be an update on GT5

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Small update as the fabricators are still busy with race team cars coming up to the start of the season.

Picked up the outer case for the fuel cell in the week and taken up to the fabricators. I thought it would be okay on the rear bench but it stands out a bit too much

A bit of swearing later and the old fuel tank was ready to drop off the chassis

Old tank is 55l, fuel cell will be 45l but there's not a huge amount of difference in size

So now they have to cut out the floor and droop the fuel cell through. They will use box section around the hole to stiffen the chassis back up but at least the cell will be lower to drop the C of G.

Chassis is certainly stiffer and the cage isn't finished yet!

Car is certainly in good company, old group A Prodrive scooby being "refreshed".

[Energy Suspension Poly Bush Kit]

I would call the relevant people to make sure these fit but I believe these were the ones I bought were:

Trailing arm bush - http://www.vtecdirect.com/online/cgi-bi ... 5-XE9-S0N0

Energy suspension bush kit - http://www.tegiwaimports.com/energy-sus ... 6-00-3215/

I can't find the link to the toe compesator bushes I used but there are plenty on eBay, just need ones for an EG/DC2.

[Energy Suspension Poly Bush Kit]

I fitted my Energy Suspension bush kit to my MC2 over a year ago and have had no issues. The only bushes it doesn't come with are the rear trailing arm and the rear toe links so I went Mugen arms and found aftermarket ones for the links from Hond-R. I believe Energy do make a set for the trailing arms though.

Just make sure to use plenty of grease to stop it squeaking and get the alignment checked once your finished. Instructions were rubbish but they weren't hard to do.

HTH

[k20 Civic Aerodeck (newbie question)]

Hi Mike,

Welcome to the club

I looked at K swap and H2B on my Aerodeck. K swap can be done with one of the EG swap packages, but no one I spoke to was sure if the power steering pump would fit under the bonnet (I would lose the belt driven pump anyway and go with an electric unit). I watched my local garage do a K swap on an EH with the same problem.

Cost is one problem, B18C4 is worth 1/3 of the K lump plus you need all the gear linkage conversion, gearbox, driveshafts, wiring, mounts and custom parts to fit it all in. H-Tuned do a good guide to the main parts you need and is worth a look (free download).

H2B is cheaper, and there are a few H22A7 units kicking around eBay etc. Easier to do as the H series spins in the same direction as the B but I've heard rumours (not confirmed) that the angle the engine end up at in the engine bay can mean oil starvation when driven hard. You may be able to overcome this with a baffled sump but I don't honestly know. I also believe you can use your original gearbox, linkages and drive shafts with this with a bell housing adapter.

Going turbo/supercharged B18 is the cheapest and easiest route and has been done on so many cars there is plenty of info out there. With any build I would 110% recommend an engine refresh (head gasket, all seals, water pump, belts etc.). I've seen B18's pull 300bhp with no problems on a properly built engine, and the stock box is pretty strong if properly maintained. If it were me going boosted though I'd go Eagle con rods and Cosworth or Crowler pistons with a girdled crank (B18C6), but I'm fussy

Anything is possible, depends on your pockets and patience! I've even seen a supercharged small block V8 Chevy engine crammed into an MX-5! If you do go K20 it'll be one hell of a project

Dave

[MC2 Project - Chassis prep]

Adjustable front splitter and a good aero package would do more for performance than engine work I would imagine, for the intended use of this car. Semi DIY kits seem to be getting cheaper these days- http://www.carbonmods.co.uk/Products/Un ... LT001.aspx

some really sexy stuff going on here....

theres another thread getting together some interest in hiring an airfield or a track for the Civic5 owners, you should come, then we could all drool at this in shock and awe

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11821

They do track days at Dalton Barracks (old RAF Abingdon site in Oxfordshire) one Friday a month, I want to go there first as a) its fairly close to me, I learnt to drive there when I was a lad many moons ago. Be a while before the car is track ready yet though, I only ordered the fuel tank yesterday and it will take a little while to build

I'd go up against yours, just to see the difference

Why not, see if all this work has made a difference !

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Looks epic!

Please say you are keeping the roof rails

Oh yes, I need them! Can't get out of the car without holding on to them

As it is fully caged you could probably loose the SIPS bars, shouldn't make the doors too floppy. Cage and pedal box is looking excellent btw. Has it been TIG welded?- I know nothing about welding unfortunately but those joints look pretty amazing to me.

I would go for Gunmetal (my dash is Rover gunmetal metallic- actually a nice colour). You need to be careful about Champ, although it might be fun to rub the 'others' up the wrong way. As it will be obvious it was never a type-R (due to being a bit J-lo around the back ) it might look a bit odd, like red badging an M. Obviously it has the credentials now (and would look good in white) but some quarters that don't rate M's might take it as a bit of a wannabe rather than a serious track car, which would be a shame.

I'm keeping the door bars, they are already soft without the inner metalwork so I don't want to remove any more. I couldn't tell you if it's TIG or MIG, I'm useless at welding. All I can say is the quality is amazing.

I like white as it was also Honda's racing colour and easy to paint/touch up. Not that bothered about the Type-R crowd but I see where your coming from. I was a little against the M chassis myself due to the Rover link until I got my hands on this one. I'm edging toward Gunmetal anyway. It should work well with Bronze wheels.

...x3

cage looks awesome, pedal box looks like it might take a while gettin used to... liking the thread updates keep them coming.

I agree with Matt on the Champ White, one of the best looking colours on the decks i've seen was someone at the ring in a Pirates Black with dark grey dc2 wheels, but i think the whole body shape and vti's kit sticks out better in silver.

Dave, are you going to be gettin the underbody boarded up for the aerodynamics, i think that would be a sweet addition to the project, rear diffuser would look hot, and also serve a purpose - increase emm.... stability

Pedal box is weird, and I can't use it wearing normal trainers. I've bought racing shoes as they are softer and narrower, my feet now fit on the pedals without catching the edge of the others.

I have a pic somewhere of another deck at the ring in black but with standard VTi rims. I like the original silver but with all the work I fancy a change. As I've said before though, I will probably change my mind several times before I get to the bodyshop and again on the day.

No plans for any underbody trickery. The fabricators offered to cut out the spare wheel well so I could run the exhaust up the middle of the car. I've asked them to leave it alone for now, they've cut enough off the chassis

^^^^^Has it been TIG welded?-^^^^^^

Think its mig by the heat Penetration

>>underbody boarded up for the aerodynamics<< thinking about that aswell as well as rear diffuser

was one on another forum made of carbon

Can't weld, don't know!

Rear diffuser I can see that helping a bit, no plans to though.

Adjustable front splitter and a good aero package would do more for performance than engine work I would imagine, for the intended use of this car. Semi DIY kits seem to be getting cheaper these days- http://www.carbonmods.co.uk/Products/Un ... LT001.aspx

Guys at carbon mods are really helpful, I've eh....... spoken to them about some "other" stuff

but its not a load of Bernoulli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_principle

Don't even go there. I studied Aeronautical Engineering at Uni and I hate that stuff, gives me nightmares even today

[MC2 Project - Chassis prep]

Another roll cage update. They re checked my seat/pedal box positions ready to weld in the rails and mount the pedal box. So close now

Pedal box

Corner triangulation, cage goes through the bulkhead to the front shock towers

Seat in the car, comfortable once your in

They have still got the drivers hoop x braces to go in and the cross bar/steering column pick up to do then they can finally weld everything in and tie the chassis back to the cage. Must admit it wasn't the easiest task getting in and out but having the roof bars helped

[NOODELS MC2]

Though^^ quote:

the problem you got though is no matter how high you set them things if the injectors are only programmed to inject a set amount

Q:But if by altering psi on the fuel rail and runs rich that must mean more fuel going in

I've been slack lately and not kept up with your build and wow! Lots gone on!

As far as I remember, you only set the injector pulse width with the ECU control. Higher fuel pressure should inject more fuel for the same given pulse width (ignoring the flow limit of the injector). The job of the FPR is to maintain the pressure given high or low fuel requirement. Modern cars monitor both to optimise fuel delivery, but I can't remember if the older car do. It'll be a case of setting the fuel pressure and injector pulse in combination, but a good tuner can do that.

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Given the snow where I live, power is nothing full stop!

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power is nothing with out control

Very true, but I still want a little more

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actually my bad its gt4 .. gt 3 was good

good idea about the bonnet

are you geting a baffled sump

Yes to the baffled sump, also want a girdled crank (or a whole C6 lump would be nice). Engine will have to wait with all the costs of the cage, brakes and paint all coming in quick succession.

toyos got a fair bit of spanking, not as bad as i thought it would have been, had you gone with slightly worn tyres i guess it would've meant you come home on wires.

i was absolutely shattered last night playing gt5 drove over the grass, smacked a few barriers (always the same ones), got a time of 8mins 50secs, was progressively gettin worse so gave up after 4 laps lol, i had dc2 complete stock, fresh oil, Sports Soft tyres (skipped the extra weight thot this is goig to be slow enough). Guys we should arrange an online gt5 meet at the ring it'll save about a £1000 lol

Gt 3, 4 or 5 all are brilliant, found it quite hard to adjust to GT5 at first but you've got to move with the times and the newer cars. the default controls are a mess, i've completely changed it which drastically helps imo.

@dave - i think you should stick to titan silver and get the full aero kit for the deck makes it look like a beast from the east... either that or pirates black, but i go on and off that black, dont like it when it goes purple. Titan silver is always a winner especially with the aero kit

I 2 laps tops and take a break. Even on the real thing I couldn't have done more than that and didn't want to make any mistakes. I changed all the controls too, didn't feel right.

Will see on the colour, not sure what to do yet. It might even get to flipping a coin when I arrive with the chassis! I wasn't planning on adding any more bodywork (spoilers etc) to the car as I like the stock look. From first glance I wanted to try and keep it as stock as possible but the wheels and brakes will give it away instantly, hence why I thought of changing the colour. We will see.....

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dont get caught with a camera are it will be E50 fine

there is a speed limit on the start/finish

Maybe I should take you if i go again? Something else I didn't know! I was told to lift off once I got to gantry and pop the bonnet to get more cooling through to the engine and coast back to the start line which I did every lap so looks like I was lucky

11 mins is pretty good, think im going to hit up gt5 right now, get a standard dc2, add 200 kgs for extra weight, and report back... lol

thats quite affordable considering the experience, set aside a grand and a bit, it'll almost cover you for new tyres, brake discs and pads, and a service to get you home.

did u lose anything on the deck, im always losing bits when im pushing it to the limit, goes from my daily to see you in a couple of weeks quite often...

anyway, im purely amazed by this project build dave... cant wait for the next installment, and im itchin to get my deck back now

GT5, DC2 on full race tyres and filter/ECU = 7 mins 59 secs I didn't think to add ballast. I bought new Toyo T1R's to go over there which come with 11mm tread, came back 5mm from memory but they are bloomin soft compared to the Michelin Pilots I normally run. £1k for a 4 day trip to the ring including service is a fair budget.

Never lost a thing from my deck, been absolute gold It was my daily driver before I decided to start this project, my dads before me. Had several Honda's over the years and "touch wood" never had any real problems.

Next update will be when I go to have the seat position measured again before they finish the seat mounts. I'm hoping that will be in the next 2 weeks.

thats quite affordable considering the experience, set aside a grand and a bit, it'll almost cover you for new tyres, brake discs and pads, and a service to get you home.

im playing gt3 atm and im finding it hard to do the second last test on A licence .. keeping a car on the road at the ring is tough

GT3 - still think that was a better game than GT4 and some parts of GT5

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hmm 329 euros... tasty... but having the ur own deck that once used to be ur daily, its probably a whole different experience, much more rewarding, the build up of the work, kind of like a the F1 season without the media coverage, but hey we're here aren't we tuning in for updates. "Go team DeLaSoul"

Dave, what were your lap times from the last visit????

how much did it cost to get on the ring last time?

Lap times were difficult to measure as we had to slow down to go through the old pit lane where the Nordschliefe meets the GP circuit (if you play GT5 you'll know where I mean ) I didn't check properly before going and went on the same weekend and the Moto GP so they slowed us down where the 2 circuits get close to each other. Average lap was about 11.00, best lap of the weekend was 10.15. I was a bad boy and took a sneaky vid of my best lap, seemed faster going round in real life, must have been the adrenaline She struggled up the bloody hill which is where I lost a lot of time! Sub 10 easily possible given more practice. Pretty happy with I did do as I'd only put the car back on it's wheels the week before! The difference between playing it on GT5 and real life is way more than I realised.

I can't remember the total cost, it was something like £500 for 4 days (fuel, hotel, food, ferry etc) and £150 for 8 laps. Wear and tear on the tyres was painful

expensive crashing full stop so

Depends on what you hit causing the "full stop"

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if i ware going to the ring i would be renting a suzuki swift

E199 for 2 laps or the stage 2 tuned swift for E329 four laps far less worries

I have considered this as it's a good option. Still expensive if you crash the car as insurance doesn't cover the first €2500 for the Swift and €5000 for the Corsa of the excess on several of the hire companies around the ring. I also spoke to the guys at Rent4ring and they were very helpful and the cars look to be very well maintained!

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Car of the year if you get it finished this year mate

IF I get it finished Engine may have to wait a little longer

Awesome.

Will you be polishing, painting or leaving it. (The cage that is)

Painting the whole car inside and out, but haven't decided what colour to go for. Looking at Championship white, gunmetal grey or stick with titan silver. Moving toward gunmetal grey at the moment but I know I will change my mind a few times before the car gets to the body shop.

Omg the man with balls of steel I would be too scared to do a build like this so massive cheers go to you matey is there any inspiration for this or are u just so damned struck on beating m3s on track ? Lol absolutely stunned by the workmanship and creativeness you have put into it keep it up and I'll look forward to the update

It's not been hard to do so far, just time consuming and money (I'm over 2 years into this build now) The civic has already been quick enough through the twisty stuff to take on bigger cars on track, now I want it to be safer and a little quicker

normal insurance wont cover driving on the ring either ... so hit a ferrari or worse a biker life changing outcome

if you crash and the track is closed the cost is around E1,000 an hour ... im going to stfu now sorry

I knew about the insurance. I rang for quotes for the ring and they were approx £350 per day. Bikes were always a risk on the ring, but on UK track days they keep them separated from the cars.

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great pics,

in the back of my the next time i drive my deck im going to visualise the stripped out shell, they say you should visualise your goals, lol, just kidding im not cool enough to do that

awesome work, glad your windows are ready, i would love that set up on the road with tints, so no one would know iv got a roll cage in the back and a full track set up... keeping it stealth, aerodeck style

lol easiest way to imagine it is to put a concrete mixer in the back of the car full of gravel and have it running while driving, should have a similar effect