haha, yes, thats what i keep thinking! The time factor involved, the hassle stripping the whole console out, then what if it all goes wrong! Suppose my plus point is that i have two spare consoles that i'm going to sacrafice for the project, so if it did go wrong, the original console is still in the car untouched. Going to make a start on this very very soon so I'll post up progress on it (detailed Civic5 "How to guide" will follow). In the middle of getting the new garage build started too, so time's limited at the moment