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Martin's VTiS Aerodeck

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Hi All,

New member introducing my recently acquired '99 VTiS Aerodeck.

Latecomer to Civics (and FWD) but had a mint MB3 for a short while last year that got me interested. My son suggested an aerodeck when he knew I was looking for an interesting estate (not many around - Volvo 850 T5R ?) and when this one came up (having checked the rarity), had to go and see it.

On paper a good car - one owner from new, 93k miles, full main dealer history (16 stamps to 2017), cambelt done at 55k. All by same dealer, as were all the MOTs to 2018 when it failed on corrosion to rear suspension mountings and seatbelt anchorages. Car being sold with new MOT, so was expecting some welding in those areas. Small time dealer selling it sent me pics of underside - looked ok. 

Anyway viewed it (rather hurriedly) and it was obvious had been standing outside for a while, very dirty, green mold in places, interior very dirty, underbonnet dirty and rocker cover flaking, some marks to half leather interior, bit of water in spare wheelwell. VTiS drivers mat holed in 2 places. Bad scratches to top of rear bumper. One headlight washer missing. Nearly new standard exhaust from cat back. Unmarked alloys. Only one key and remote fob (rubber buttons missing), no red key. Full set of books in original wallet. Totally original. Welding appeared to have been done quite well, neat but some welds needed grinding back and underseal already coming away.

Took it for a drive - plenty of power, braked and handled ok. Electrics all worked.

Overall, ok for the money and when I found out that it had spent its whole life in my birthplace, had to buy it. 

The pics below are just a starter, more about the bad bits later. They show the results of about 3 washes and jetwashes, one missing headlight washer replaced, foglights removed (totally corroded away). Some of the purple in the paint has come back but obviously needs a good claying and machine polish. At that stage was already thinking it would need an extensive service, cambelt, waterpump etc etc

More later...…..

(you will note that pattern exhaust tailpipe does not exit in centre of bumper cutout)

 

Cheers, Martin

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Hi Martin, good to see a new deck joining the club. Not many VTI aerodecks, and that one sounds like it's had plenty of love from honda.

Will be interested to see where you take it next. 

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Looks alright that mate

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Thanks guys, but you know that old saying "looks can be deceiving" …...

It all started with (forgot to mention in first post) during the test drive noticed that clutch was engaging/disengaging with pedal very near floor, had to remove floor mat.

It goes downhill from here !

More later but still pleased with purchase …..

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Hi Martin, so good to see another VTiS aerodeck being saved. These are indeed a rare beast now, so deffo worth fixing her up. Clutch could be the slave cylinder that's on way out, clutch needing bled? Cant remember of you can adjust the biting point on these although 95% sure you can. Rust is the biggy with these and most other civics of this era, although to be fair the Civic M's do seem to be a wee bit better at resisiting the tin worm than the 3 door civics. Keep us posted on your progress and plenty pics!

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Hi Dave, my own thoughts too on the clutch. Found a slight leak on master cylinder so ordered new master and slave (to be safe). After a long wait for parts to arrive from Germany (don't order from Autodoc if you're in a hurry) along with various other service bits, fitted those. Then ran into next problem - system wouldn't bleed properly. Tried everything including pressure bleeder but all I would get was "hard pedal" too early and would not go to the floor. After thinking that maybe I had got a duff new master cylinder or a blocked line, decided to dismantle the master end of the system. Whilst doing this found that I had not properly located the pin which connects the pedal to master cylinder :oops: (it is difficult to see what you're doing up there). Anyway, pin properly in place system bled ok.

Improved the bite point a bit so had a look in the trusty Haynes manual (one of my first purchases) and found that you can adjust the pedal height (from the floor) - this was already at the correct height. You can also adjust the pedal freeplay - this is just how much slack you allow at the top of pedal travel (should be 12-21mm) before you start to move the piston in master cylinder - again, freeplay was already ok.

In terms of adjusting the bite point, not much you can do on that. Its a combination of the two adjustments above and the adjuster bolts can only be moved by a max of about 2cm so doesn't have much effect on bite point. 

So, maybe my clutch plate is on the way out (?) but its ok for now.

Rust - ah well - that's another story ! More later......

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The clutch thing is really common tbh. New clutch will improve it. The balljoint for the release fork wears aswell. can you hear a creak from that area when you press the clutch? Replace that and the clutch I'm sure it'll be good as new

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7 minutes ago, KiNK43 said:

The clutch thing is really common tbh. New clutch will improve it. The balljoint for the release fork wears aswell. can you hear a creak from that area when you press the clutch? Replace that and the clutch I'm sure it'll be good as new

No creaks from that area. However, while making sure the slave cylinder piston ball was located in the fork socket, had a push/pull on the fork and there seemed to be a fair bit of slack/movement  at the other end (maybe worn ball joint you mention ?). When I get to the stage of replacing the clutch I'll make sure to replace the fork as well. Maybe the ball stud also if looking worn ?

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Hi from Norfolk :cool:

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My vti is from Norfolk :-P 

Anytime I see any for sale they always seem to be in Norfolk 

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18 hours ago, noodels said:

Hi from Norfolk :cool:

Hi Noodels, hope to see your car around sometime (colour ?). You going to Jap Auto Extravaganza at the showground in August ?

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7 hours ago, dmrichards said:

My vti is from Norfolk :-P 

Anytime I see any for sale they always seem to be in Norfolk 

The car is now in Norfolk but spent nearly its whole life from new more in your area (Morecambe). From there it found its way to Birmingham where I bought it. Morecambe is where I was born - strange how things work out …...

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MC2 isTitan silver

S2000 is Silverstone

live near Hethersett,may go to Jap show,not sure tbh !

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Thought I would add some interior pics etc, all original as far as I know …...

Some wear to cloth on drivers seat in first pic plus vtis drivers mat (holed) removed in 2nd pic. Found that embroidered patch was just glued on to mat (pic shows it removed), so plan is to get a new plain black mat and glue the patch back on.

3rd pic shows carbon trim on dash and centre console (original or option on VTiS ?) and original Pioneer radio/cassette (got the manual with the bookpack).

Then back seats. "Bobbling" to cloth at rear base of front seats will be shaved off.

Especially from condition of boot trim/carpets, leather in general and the dog hairs and dirt everywhere it was obvious that this car had been used for a long time as a dog carrier. What I didn't expect was that the dog hairs had pervaded everwhere - even behind the boot trim panels ! (as shown in the next few pics). And on the headlining above the boot.

As you might expect, the interior is going to take a lot of work, mostly on the leather, before its back up to scratch.

Once I realised how dirty and dog-infested the car was, thought I better take a look at the pollen filter. Surprisingly there weren't many dog hairs in there but there were a hell of a lot of leaves. In the filter, in the filter compartment and in the fan (as shown in the next few pics). Cleared all that out and fitted new filter. What I don't get is - how do leaves of that size get through the grille on the scuttle ??

Anyway, currently working on more important stuff - rustproofing …..

More later 

 

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Wow looks tidy generally. 

 

But the dog hair situation is impressive. Must have been a right fur ball in there!!

 

Reminding me to look in the pollen filter aswell bet there's all sorts of junk in there.

 

What's your master plan? Restoring the  whole car?

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12 hours ago, KiNK43 said:

Wow looks tidy generally. 

 

But the dog hair situation is impressive. Must have been a right fur ball in there!!

 

Reminding me to look in the pollen filter aswell bet there's all sorts of junk in there.

 

What's your master plan? Restoring the  whole car?

Yeh, still finding dog hairs in the carpets and upholstery even though some of the boot carpets and trim had been cleaned before I bought it.  Leather needs attention …..

Master plan is to first address the small amount of rust at front end first (working on that at the moment). Underside has been rustproofed previously (possibly by Honda dealer) and overall is not bad. Had the sideskirts off and sills are ok but they weren't undersealed so have done that and will be injecting inside sills. Need to also re-seal where the welding was done at rear end. 

After that want to go through the mechanics, cooling, brakes and suspension bringing them all up to scratch but leaving them standard for now.

Then, on to the body......

So guess it will be a full restoration. Don't want to even start thinking about mods until I've at least got a reliable car that looks half decent as a baseline  

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Know what I said about not thinking about mods yet ? - well the slippery slope has already started......

Mentioned earlier that I had removed the corroded foglights. So started looking for an alternative, as some people were asking extortionate prices for secondhand originals. Recalled seeing that someone had fitted Ring lights so looked on their site and quite liked the look of their Ice Blue driving lights (BRL0368) and they looked the right oval shape to fit in the apertures. But could not find any retailer who had them in stock. So looked on Ebay, still couldn't find them. But someone had a boxed pair of Ring Ice Blue driving lamps under a different (earlier?) part number BRL04582 and luckily included pics of the box which gave dimensions for the lights. Looked like they might be a very good fit. So for 20 quid (incl post), ordered them. 

When they arrived, found the shape and size were nigh on perfect for the apertures. So next onto how to mount them.

The old foglights had been removed complete with mounting frame (3 screws which came out easily). The top 2 mounting screws are pretty central to the original centre of the light and they are square to the front of the car. So thought if I make up some right-angle brackets to fit - see how they go with the protusion through the surrounds. Had already spliced the original connectors to the Ring wiring with spade connectors. Fortunately by leaving a little bit of slack on all the screw connectors the foglight surrounds went on first time with a bit of jiggling and the protusion looks about right.

They are a clear lens with a dark blue/purple ring on the outer glass. Have tried them and they give a clear light but you can see the blue ring illuminated.

Quite pleased with them …….. 

(oh, and the surrounds have been smoothed and sprayed)

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Nice solution

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They look tidy mate and nice job on the covers. Bargain at that price too! 8-)

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Looking good. I have the older ring fog lights, but used the old bracket and was never happy with the angle once the cover was back on as it made them point upwards too much to be used as fog lights, basically were just a cosmetic improvement over the knackered original ones. Your bracket looks like a much better plan 8-)

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Nice looking deck a rare car in good condition.

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8 hours ago, jool83 said:

Nice looking deck a rare car in good condition.

Hi bud, nice to see you again. How's it going? 

Have you still got the civic? 

8-)

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1 hour ago, dr_broon said:

Hi bud, nice to see you again. How's it going? 

Have you still got the civic? 

8-)

Hi thanks Dr_broon yeah I'm good how you doing? Yeah still got it going strong still my daily runaround last week was all round Yorkshire dales for a break not done many mods to it really to be honest but still gets very good looking after it's a brilliant car still goes like stink gives the modern cars a run for there money if not more. 

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