I'm new here so I hope you don't mind me saying so but I completely agree about the grief I used to give Honda's, I used to be a Toyota nut, 3 Celica GT's and an MR2 so far, I went VAG group with a Leon Cupra 180 and although it was a blast in a straight line and good for overtaking it was completely soulless to drive I've got a MB3 recently and although obviously it's not quick it's got a bit of character to it, It's on the OEM 14's but it's fun to throw it at corners as it gives you the confidence to chuck it about unlike most Euroboxes on the road I like Honda's now I want a VTI though although the VTi-S is an awesome bit of kit too