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Previous to last winter the screw that holds the bracket with the small AC pulley has snapped by itself, probably due to cold/vibrations. Just wondering if it's repairable without engine removal. Regrettably I had an engine rebuild done the previous spring so I don't want to spend big money on engine removal just to replace one screw (the old one needs to be drilled out so not sure if that can be done with the engine still inside since it is on the side of the engine) Last summer was quite bad without the working AC and this summer is supposed to be even worse, so I might reconsider the repair ;o]] I've marked the pulley and the bolt on the attached pictures

I am going to UK (Newbury) for at least 3 months, maybe longer if I like it there, and thinking of getting rhd mb6 for my stay there and wonder how much you guys are paying for the mb6 insurance in the UK. My pirate black mb6 is in a bad shape so I could use the rhd car as a donor and get my lhd back to shape when I leave the uk project and go back. I am 32 (33 in a month), have a 10+ year clean record so I have the maximum discount (60% iirc) on the insurance in my country but not sure if that will count in UK. Currently I have my car (mb6) insured at a small cheap insurance company which is most probably not in UK as well. I would like to get some nice pirate black mb6 with good engine since my car still eats lots of oil on motorway even after an engine rebuild and the body is in a bad shape as well (lots of damage due to others bad parking and vandalism, no corrosion except small on the rear arch) and there are just too many things that needs sorting and I would have to spend crazy money to get it into the shape that I would be happy with. Would not mind getting a modified car. Seen few nice ones for sale but some have MOT and tax ending soon. Do modified cars cost more to insure? Do I have to tell them that it no longer has stock power figures (in case the power affects the insurance)? What mods are MOT failure and have to be removed for the MOT test? Guess non-levelling HID kit, decat, maybe even too loud exhaust would not pass MOT/emissions, maybe chipped ecu might be problem for emissions as well. Please let me know how much you pay for your mb6 insurance and add some details that you think affect the insurance price. Thanks for any info.

lol I see you couldn't resist the b18c4 boost temptation for long........that low compresision, long gearbox and the cams it has fit the turbo really well so it's the most logical way to go if I had the money to spare I would probably go for some cheapish sensible turbo setup like that on my mb6 but for the weekend eg I would prefer to stay n/a and go for b20vtec and ITR box which could get you to 230-260 as well (probably not as cheap though)....I've always been more of a n/a honda fan, it's just that this engine+box is so good for turbo it's really tempting ;o] seen a vid of stock b18c4 engine with TD05 and looked quite fast...391bhp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhL6Rg2JRGE&list=PL3D20934B7FFBA0EF&index=6 would be little worried to push it that far on stock engine knowing what rich did on his engine for the same power

that polished/black rocker cover looks cool mate, maybe I would do the lettering black as well to stand out more sick setup, I wanna swap my mb6 into eg as well when getting a new DD, probably won't go boost though....b20 should be more than enough to get me in trouble ;o]

so I‘ve read the whole thread by now and seriously hats off man, you’ve made her looking georgous I love that stealthish look, the color scheme makes it look real classy and it’s not shouting about itself...that vti color coded lip and the alloys really make it look mean but still kinda stock looking...to those who know though it is a nice clue to what is lurking inside...I’ve seen many eg’s and yours is definitely one of the nicest I’ve seen. I am glad I’ve rebuilt my engine and kept the M...seeing your car assures me in wanting to do similar mb6 to eg build and your thread surely asked many questions I had...thx for clearing that up to me looked really mental on the flyby vid, I am sure it was worth all that effort when you are driving that beast btw what was the h-tune ecu package you went for?

sorry for asking before reading the whole thread first (I will anyway I guess).....but are you basically swapping the eg with parts from your old M cause you got a new DD? cause that's what I've been planning to do for a long time with mine MB6 when the time to get something new comes.....I see you have the mb6 alloys on eg so I guess you swapped the hubs/brakes which should work great on light eg imho and was planning the same (i've seen egs with ITR brakes/hubs so should be possible to swap them) I have asked about such thing on the local honda forum lonf time ago and didn't really get any replies, still too many thing I'd love to know about such build what exactly is possible to implant in the eg from mb6? obviously engine/trans, maybe driveshafts if they aren't too long, I've read the steering rack would be a good upgrade as well and wonder if you can use anything more from the double wishbone susp apart from brakes/hub/wheels that you probably did already...I've read the eg is quite similar to dc2 and that the mb is quite similar to dc2 as well

same here, my Samsung Galaxy S3 with Torque connects to the elm327 bluetooth dongle, but never connects to the ecu no matter what protocol/setting I use. I've tested the elm327 in my friends CLK and it worked straight away. As we don't have the 16pin plug I have to use an Honda 5-pin to OBDII 16pin adapter. Thought the adapter was faulty so I bough another one, but still no luck. Will have to check the cables going from the 5pin to the ecu before I finally give up. When I was doing the decarbonization on my car the guy doing it wanted to clear the ecu fail codes and couldn't connect via OBDII protocol as well. Only got it connected via OBDI protocol. He had some professional Bosch diagnostic unit connected to laptop via usb. Though the info here says the P9K-E11 ECU should be "OBD2 (with OBD1 style plugs)". Also all cars since 1996 "should" have OBDII as mandatory. Anyone got it working on M?

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my garage has recommended to me to stay away from the ebay kit and got the oem honda seals gaskets rings valve lockers belt etc...didn't need new pistons...car is already finished and being tested should have the car back in 1-2 days.

damn seems like I am back to step 0 I've read about all 2005-2008 2.5L and 3.0L N52 engines having a bad design flaw causing the hydraulic valve lifters making a terrible clicking noise on cold starts...there are dozens of scary videos on youtube with cars sounding worse than a tracktor which I could never have lived with even if it was true that it doesn't affect the performance or causing premature wear which many do not believe....and the permanent fix seems to be a whole new cylinder head that they redesigned and is used on 2009 and newer engines....cost 7000 usd, the lifters cost 2000 usd which they seem to have redesigned as well and might fix the problem without changing the head in some cases....that said reading about the not very good reliability of new bmws and hearing the cost for repairs I guess I am not gonna have bmw anytime soon until I afford getting one covered by a warranty.....never thought it's so bad with new cars but it seems the eco crap rules are making the cars too complex and running on the edge these days....I though n/a 6 cylinder from a new bmw would be pretty reliable but seems I was wrong and there is a general opinion that running these modern complex engines without a warranty of some sort is a financial suicide and not a future proof investment as I thought at first about 100 pages from people having the HVL issues.... http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13504 lol seems like I am back to the mb6 rebuild or type-r decision.... going to see the car today (to collect the returnable transport fee at least) but I am pretty much decided not to take it...seems like I've got used too much to the honda reliability and still I can't say it's cheap to run them but that is probably more of a expensive service thing than actually cars having too many problems I have found some garage specializing in japanese cars and mainly hondas and it is not very far from where I work so I will get the car inspected there and try to get some professional quote about getting my car back to running...maybe I will find there someone who seems knowledgeable enough and clear some things up for me the bmw actually looked not much well looked after...totally bald tires, like not even 1mm of thread left and some cosmetic flaws like a small scratches on the front panel already showing some rust which noone taking a good care of his car would leave unrepaired to let it get worse....I am kinda disappointed but at the same time better safe than sorry...I at least know something about hondas and their reliability and common problems so I might stick to that so back to my initial question...anyone know if the b18c1 rebuild kit is compatible with b18c4? I think I'll try to get my car running again and think a bit more about my next car...I don't really feel like rushing this decision and looking for a new car without the current one running is a real pita also I might put the engine to good use when I finally find a new car for me...I might swap the engine into eg and have some weekend blast toy since I won't make much money anyway selling the M

which one would you get for 8k as your daily driver and only car ;o] 2004 EP3 Type-R 147kw, 196 Nm, 0-60 mph in 6.4 inline 4, 2.0L, 6-speed manual 35.000 miles, first owner bought locally 7888 GBP 2006 E90 325i 160kw, 250Nm, 0-60 mph in 7.0 inline 6, 2.5L (not the detuned 3.0L), 6-speed manual 62.000 miles, first owner bought locally 8049 GBP these are the actual photos from ads....going to see the BMW tomorrow since they didn't manage to transport it from other city where it was to my city during today...think the beamer is much closer to the stock mb6 spirit (sort of quick practical car comfortable enough for daily use) which is what I need for my commuting here....can't afford to risk spending all my money on another low mileage car that has been trashed to hell and back on weekends and will have no resell value in 2-3 years (as was the case with my pirate black mb6 which I bought for like 6k pounds 4 years ago thinking it would serve me for another 50tm since it was just 40ish back then)

hope it didn't sound too snobbery than not wanting the ep3 but with the roads we have and the current prices for LHD ones the circumstances are just all against it now and I need a new car fast....and I never really dreamed about ep3 though (I've always dreamed about ap1, dc2 and na1) but I have respected them for what they are and loved seeing some great examples of their full potential...but that would just bug me more wanting more of it and not being able to because of lack of money for proper parts or bad roads here meaning no fancy suspensions...they would be a great track car but than you just can't use it for commuting here no matter how big of a petrolhead you think you are...but for a track car of course it would be cheaper to go for eg shell and just k-series powertrain if I didn't need it to be useable on the public roads as well....was thinking of using my old crashed mb6 powertrain and building myself gsr hatch back then, but again I did not have space for such projects and still don't to do it this time either...if I had the place for it I would rebuild the engine myself and put it in an eg...the mb6 bits like steering rack and brakes/hubs would make a great upgrade to the eg6 as well...I even have a book on how to rebuild the b-series by brooklands/car-tech (apart from service manuals and epc) ;o] so the chances are still there as for a track car I can't imagine ever wanting anything else than eg/dc2/na1 and I still don't have a second car convertible and could never go z4 over my all time love the s2k ;o]

lol thx knight....hard to see your mint looking pirate black in the sig...I would love my pirate black mb6 to be like yours...hope she stays like that for a long time to come ;o]]

wow man thx a lot for reading my super long post and trying to help me out....I really appreciate it and there is a lot to think about about what you have said..... the overhaul looks like a long run job and I also have no other car in the meantime (lol I almost got lost yesterday when going to work by public transport since I had to return my sisters old car to her)....the main thing is Honda just doesn't offer anything I would be really temped to buy and although the mb6 was really perfect for me I don't see any reasonable alternatives out there with the honda badge and enough of the true honda spirit I never thought I would say that but I might be up for a car brand change.....as I've written in my looong post the EP3 I was considering was almost 8k which is huge money compared to uk prices and compared to what you can get from other car makers used....and seeing the massive price drops in UK of EP3s it seems like a really really bad investment to buy an ep3 for 8k no matter how low mileage it is....I would probably struggle to sell it for half that 2-3 years later when the trend now going on in uk comes to my country I have actually found a beamer today (lol I know) for the same price as that ep3 and it just fits my needs of daily driver so much better that I might buy it....going to see it tomorrow...it's an 2006 black E90 sedan 325i 160kw with just 62tm and having the 60tm service done....compared to that ep3 it is just night and day....for a track car sure the ep3 would be my choice but for a 30 year old petrolhead it seems wiser in every way to get that beamer instead...it won't be too harsh for daily use, should give me enough thrill when I occasionally want to and the resell value will be double the ep3 in a few years.... it is sure a sad day for me since after 3 hondas in a row (and 10 years of owning them) I'll have something else, but one should try everything and since the honda just doesn't offer anything for me I feel the right time to try something else is now....this surely isn't my last post here, if I get that car I will surely show it here in the 'where have you moved thread' and will always have a spot in my heart for the mighty M and hopefully one day I could come back to owning a honda again whether it be my dreamed s2k or something else that honda will come up with....I also have few hondas in my family, my sis has a FN2 and my dad has the latest 2.4L accord, but those are cars that I don't really look up to now I just hope I can put the rest of the car to a good use and make someone as happy as the mb6 always made me....from my old crashed mb6 I sold the engine to a bloke who build it up so if I find someone with similar plans the engine after a rebuild could make someone happy still I was actually very depressed by the situation and really was trying to find a honda I could buy but now that I finally had to open my mind to other marks I actually feel a strong relief and looking forward to seeing the car tomorrow....I hope I won't fall in your eyes too much for going german instead of jap car....it will surely be something very new for me too, but as I've said I'd rather try different mark when the situation calls for it and come back later than be unhappy about owning a honda that doesn't fit my needs well and actually lose my honda passion more than when just trying something else I really loved the sharing and caring honda community and can only hope I will find at least half that love in the bmw community I might become a part of I really wish all the best to you all and especially your cars and I hope you won't find yourself is such a situation I was in...luckilly I have some money to spend on a new car and not having to struggle trying to figure it out the hard way much love forever an M fan Matt (lol those last words almost brought me to tears...not kidding pals)

Hi, did you find out if it fits mate? I posted a thread asking the same yesterday.....considering this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-01-HONDA-ACU ... 19d74069d4

anyone can please verify if the b18c1 rebuild kit will fit my b18c4? The piston bore is the same and b18c1 is basically an us equivalent to b18c4 so I hope the pumps, gaskets and bearings should fit but need to be sure before ordering http://www.ebay.com/itm/96-01-HONDA-ACU ... 19d74069d4 'rebuild my mb6 or not and get an ep3' (very pricey here though compared to uk) ? PLEASE PLEASE I know my posts are always too long but I need an advice here badly about the 'rebuild my mb6 or get a ep3' that's really bugging me…since I don't post much often it is a lot of going in my head since I try to do a lot of research on my own and that just usually raises more questions lol…..I am an IT guy having cars just as hobby and although liking a lot the technical stuff about cars and knowing much more than a usual person who likes to call himself a 'car guy' I still have no real mechanical knowledge apart from reading a lot of theory….well I did few smaller jobs on my car like rear bearings and I actually disassembled my whole crashed vti with my friend and sold it for parts but since I live in city and have no house with a place where I could work on my car I didn't do much of DIY on my car... My car broke down about 2-3 weeks ago…..I knew my engine had some issues lately...leaking/consuming oil even more than before , my old car did too, but not as much as it was lately with this one, some strange dieselish noise sometimes when cold (valves?), some rattling around 3-4k revs that my old car also did and Honda never found out why and also lately excessive exhaust smoke when cold start and also as my friend told me some smoke at high rpms during some highway trip with him in his late 964 3.6L carrera 4….my dad always used to service his hondas at a official dealer and the care was always a bit clinical and not giving the car as much care as I would like….although the guy we always were dealing with was a fair and reasonable guy (the only one there) and we had sort of more family relations compared to other customers….they even did some small jobs for me free and I always could drive the car to the garage myself and talk directly to the mechanic about issues I had….surely they changed what the service manual says but they weren't completely successful at finding out some small issues with the car and lot of their responses were it's not that bad wait until you change this or that….my old car was in a good shape after 150k and regular honda service but the second one I bought was prolly a weekend racer driven hard and not that great as it looked The official garage cost a lot for work and the bill for an engine rebuild at them would be astronomical high just for the work itself plus considering all OEM parts for full price….so I was kinda thinking of dumping the car cheap and getting an ep3 type-r as that seemed the most logical next car from honda…..wouldn't sell it for more than 1500-2000 if it was running, maybe 2500 if it was in really good shape, so selling it for parts for 500-1000 wouldn't be such a big loss…definitely smaller than repairing it at honda dealer and selling after 2-3 years The problem is I never really loved the ep3 looks…didn't like the 5d at all and even the type-r didn't look right to me….surely it has grown on me as I were reading more about them as I was thinking about what car to get next if my car dies and seeing many nice ones out there on the forums, but it never was a love at first like the dc2 or s2k that I still love to bits….also there are many compromises on the edm ep3 that kinda bug me although the real effect might not be as big as I might think like the mcstrut front susp and no lsd but still feels like a step back that I would probably want to sort out to be happy (meaning the lsd). Also they are not that much faster in stock form than the mb6 and they might be way too stiff for DDing on our crappy roads….although I was planning to get slips 16x7 with beefy 225/50 tires I am still not sure it would sort it out… I have found a very neat looking one….2004 NHBP with just 35.000 miles, first owner, bought new locally , full honda service history and looking almost totally stock (which is a good thing), but the price is crazy high compared to the UK prices...asking almost 7900GBP for it…..it is actually quite a good deal compared to other ep3s here though since I can only get a 60k-ish miles 2003 with shabby history (imported from CH, 3rd owner here) for 7 grand….seeing how the prices of them have dropped in UK in the last year I know the same will happen in a year or two here as I've seen the same happen kinda recently with mb6 prices following the UK massive value drop trend like 3 years ago I know I might be losing my last chance to get a very low mileage one, but it just seems too much to pay for a car that I actually don't really love just kinda started to like because it seems like the only honda option I have with my budget when not wanting to go down on power…I have about 9k and s2k that I love are still not cheap enough to get me a nice clean lower mileage one…and dc2s are kinda overpiced here and very hard to find not crap tuned one with low mileage since EU tuning is way way worse than the uk modding scene that actually has many nicely modded cars….disgusting spoilers is what you usually get here…there are few guys that mod their cars the right way but that usually ends up being a trackday car not much suited for daily commuting to work and back stuck in a car jam often and on our super bad roads with racing suspensions I hate the facelifted ep3 looks that are easier to find with a low mileage even more since I was always more of a sleeper car guy and loved it about mb6….the clear taillights look too ricey where the old one looks nice, the headlight make the car look just dull (the prefacelifted looked at least kinda agressive), that huge H emblem looks just stupid on the facelift grill and I hate red interiors which all facelifted ones have….I know all those bits can be easily swapped for older parts to make it look better for me and definitely better to get a facelift with the suspension upgrades that are said to address the understeering issues and which can be found with lower mileage and try to find someone to swap the parts with me….I know I would prolly start loving it anyway for other reasons than looks but still it just seems like too much hassle for too much money and a really bad investment considering the current value drop in UK soon to be followed here with kinda not that much of an improvement in what I look for in a car….the mb6 is kinda perfect car for me in terms of power and comfort (or our roads I should say…I wouldn't mind bigger wheels and stiffer susp if I lived in switzerland)....I bought my second mb6 lowered 40mm and with 16inch 225/40/16 and 205/45/16 and it was just unbearable on our roads….with the drop and stock 195/55/15 alloys it was bearable but still not good enough….in the end I couldn't justify the few tenths of seconds in bends to constant 20mph slowdowns due to bad roads and went to completely stock susp setup (I had the parts from my crashed mb6....wasn't my fault and lost a lot of money on it since the insurance company of that bitch who crashed me claimed it as totalled and because of high mileage only gave me 1/4 of what the repair would cost and what was also the price of the second mb6 I got from germany….bough it with 40-ish k miles on it and now at 80-ish it broke down badly it seems…even after purchasing the gearbox looked in a bit worse shape than my old 150k miles mb6 that I got after my dad who got it new and was in a good shape overall…this car had the first gear problems like my old car but even worse, also it started leaking oil from camshaft ends and maybe under head and maybe even oil pan (well my old car did as well but prolly not as bad as this one got to lately) and since it was making the smoke I guess piston rings were bad.…I started hearing some short-time rattling at around 3k, 3.5k, 4k especially audible in third , little in second an later it actually started to do that in first as well and was loud as hell in first….well it didn't sound like anything internal more like some heatshiled/cover rattling noise….remember I had to remove cat cover for rattling, not sure on which car though…disadvantage of owning two same cars and having a bad memory I guess…also some bearing in gearbox was getting noisy but since the noise stopped when the clutch was pressed to floor it might just be the clutch release bearing and not the gearbox shaft bearing which would be harder job to replace and thus more expensive to repair Well I guess those problems kinda escalated over time due to lack of care from my dealer during regular maintenance services and partly due to my fear of the bill and not knowing any good unofficial garages to get the car sorted. When I was driving my car not far from home I was in second or third driving very very slowly in town between other cars and getting to a town speed from a red light when I heard a loud sound which sounded like something has fallen off my car and I was dragging it on concrete….that sound stopped after 1-2 seconds….I stopped after a few meters where I wasn't blocking the road completely and went to have a look if I lost something…didn't find anything on the road from where the noise started and didn't see anything hanging from the car either….I went back to car and started, took off and everything seemed normal.…I went to find a better quieter spot off the main road to have a closer look….drove slowly about one mile until I could find a free street with high curb so I could drive on it with half of car and look under….pretty much immediately as I stopped I saw some oil spilled under car and a lot of oil on the plastic engine undertray cover….since I was about to change oil I had unopened a 5L canister of magnatec in my trunk so I put like 1-2 litres in the car and drove slowly home….my car was not showing anything unusual everything felt just as before…..I was only about 2 miles from my home so I found some spot where a tow car could easily get to me and parked it….I went home for some canisters to catch the leaking oil but the next day when I was looking at it with my friend there was almost no oil in the bowls I put under where I could see it dripping down from under the car….when looking at the engine bay I have found there is actually a pool of fresh clean oil on the intake manifold so I wonder what happened….didn't hear any bang and wasn't flooring it so I guess it's not blown head gasket….might be just the oil pump exploding but when I looked at the dipstick there was no oil at all but at the same time there was no oil under the car…I was adding about a litre of oil every month or two and just very few times got very low on oil…no warning light never came on even when the oil was lower than the min mark....lately I was buying 5L canister for an oil change and 5x1L just for fill ups... Sorry about me braggin with this 'ep3 or rebuild mb6' thing but I am truly torn about what to do….I went in search for a list of parts needed to rebuild my mb6 engine and I thought I might up the power a bit by changing the parts for something better when doing it already and knowing there is some potential in there…..with more researching the more parts were coming on the list and I ended up with a list of parts and some estimates of work needed of almost 7k shipped and cleared (those from us, from uk it is tax/duty free since it is within eu but not as cheap)…now I fear I might end up spending crazy money once I start the rebuild and find out what all is bad I guess I took it kinda extreme and made a list of all the moving parts in my engine lol....but you know how it is when you start reading those b18c4 to type-r threads and also finding out all that I feel might need replacing on my car sooner or later and extending it to what would be wise to do at the same time to get some more power when already getting something related already This is the excel spreadsheet published on google docs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html Or you can dl the xlsx 2007 excel file directly http://speedy.sh/sEXdC/MB6-rebuild.xlsx Well maybe it's just lack of knowledge and pesimism and maybe all it would need to get it running again is that rebuild kit I posted on top and a new clutch since I think it's actually the clutch release baring….and later get the new brakes….so that would be about 1000gbp and I would happily invest that in my mb6 to have it running again…I was reading the CTR buying guide on CTRO and read that noisy tappeting sound can be fixed just by doing the valve clearances job whatever it means….I thought I would have to have them replaced so maybe it isn't as bad as I feared…most of the issues were smaller problems and parts not costing much to buy but costing a lot to have it replaced by a garage (if not a cheap one) Can someone please give me some advice on the rebuild estimate cost….I will happily provide any more info you need if you've read my long thread and want to help a fellow long devoted honda fan that's having a hard time deciding what to do I always considered the ep3 to be one of my possible future cars but now that I am really finding more and more about it and it is getting closer I am not really that sure I would be that happy with it….I have some money (about 9k) from a saving fund my dad kept paying for me when I was younger and I was telling my dad that I will buy an s2k for the money when they drop in price and I had a better wage to add something and afford one.….I know the ep3s are great supercharged and can be fast even with just boltons and retune and probably faster than s2ks both real world and track and more practical but I am not sure I would be satisfied with it stock and to make the ep3 as fast as I would like it to be (ie noticeably faster car than mb6) is hard without making it probably crazy loud and I would feel really embarassed to have a still kinda slow car with loud exhaust…and at the price that I can get them here it is getting close to probably better cars especially when counting in all the stuff I would need done to like the car….so I am still considering repairing my mb6 and waiting until I have more money and budget for other options to choose from but if getting the mb6 back to shape would cost me most of the money I have now it kinda loses it's meaning thx to anyone who can find the time to read it and help me out here ;o]] cheers matt

btw steveolkinevel how do you find the ride quality compared to your lowered mb6 with stock alloys? reading about the ultra harsh ride of EP3 CTR I am worried it will be unbearable in my city....I would get some 16inch wheels to improve the ride quality but wonder if it will be enough...when I got my second mb6 it was lowered 40mm and with 16inch 205/45 and 225/40 and it was very bad on our roads....later I swapped the wheels for stockies 195/55/15 and it was way better even with the same suspension drop....could have probably lived with that already, but in the end I went back to stock springs cause I didn't like slowing down that often because of bad roads I am planning to use 225/50/16....there are many guys running those tires on ephatch, some had to roll the rear, but guess on stock ride height I won't have to do that sidewall for 225/50/16 is 113 mm (4.4'') sidewall of the stock mb6 tires 195/55/15 is 107 mm (4.2'')

well I don't think anyone would want the dash conversion in uk...maybe to usdm one to have the navi closer to driver....but I haven't even seen any EDM with neither USDM nor UKDM dash which is what I want to do. The UKDM and USDM are basically the same, but mirrored. The EDM has the heater controls not on side, but on the upper side, so the whole stereo hole is lower than in US/UK models and quite close to the shifter which might be an issue when operating the touchscreen. I want to get some cheap double din navi/carpc from china and it would be better to have it higher since I won't have to look down at navi as much as I would have to if I stick with EDM dash. Also the ukdm (compared to usdm) will move the navi closer and heater control further which makes more sense for me since I will need to operate the heaters much less often than the navi unit. Also I think the UKDM/USDM dash looks much fresher than the oldschool EDM design. EDM: http://image.sportcompactcarweb.com/f/8 ... d_View.jpg USDM: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3266/3131 ... bc2e_z.jpg UKDM: http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd32 ... G_1354.jpg I am not even sure if UKDM EP3s were sold with navi as an option...the JDM probably were as that was the case with S2K as well...I've only seen JDM S2Ks having factory fitted navi. btw love your old MB6 in the sig.....the Orleans Blue Pearl looks great on black painted stock alloys....had the same color on my first mb6...the second one was pirate black....I will always have a soft spot for M and I will miss mine everytime I see a nice one or hear that B-series roar in some vid....imho the B-series have more character than the Ks but I feel like I need a change and better stop at best and enjoy the sweet memories of it

nice ep mate, I am most probably getting one as well in a matter of weeks and the dash wrap is definitely a must have mod for me too...but I will need to get a double din navi unit and do edm to ukdm dash conversion to move the touch screen unit further from the stick before I can do the cf wrap ;o] already too much plans for the car I don't even have yet those hatches look mean in NHBP on black wheels...I guess I'll have to get a set of 16s though for our crappy roads so I'll probably end up getting rpf1s and beefy 225/50 tires

man those wheels (from mitshubishi galant as other say) do look real good on a pirate black lowered m. Too bad our roads sucks so much that I had to ditch my 16inch lowered setup.

Very nice find...lots of useful info...wanted to ask about the S9B gear ratios and it's there ;o]