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Big step forwards today... 

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Engine in ecstatic.gif1

 

Got some metal polishing to do on the rocker cover and the exhaust mani when I get my grubby paws on it. 

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So the garage phoned today asking about gearbox oil. They thought I'd said that I needed lsd oil (I didn't), and said that they'd phoned honda to check, and honda said that only the integra had an lsd seeya.gif1

 

I said that it definitely has lsd as standard and that I normally use honda MTF. 

 

They said that they'd tried turning the wheel, and the other wheel didn't spin. 

 

So, the manual says that this means the lsd is dead.  I haven't seen much online about honda lsds dying though, so my wondering (straw grasping) is whether the lack of oil in the box would stop the lsd working, and will it work once all topped up and oily?

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I wouldn't have thought the lack of oil would stop it working mate, but suppose it depends on the different types of lsd. Have seen a few car shows where they've fitted an lsd to a car that didnt already have it, and during the gearbox build have shown how it works so as the gearbox was on the bench at the time Im assuming it was empty? Not a Honda part I've ever heard of failing beforem deffo a first. Adam (jalesi2001) that used to be on here would probs know, but I've lost contact with him. I can ping him a message via Fb if you want? Is it the standard mb6/mc2 lsd you've got?

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Yeah, was properly clutching at straws shrug.gif1

Since posting I've seen how they work with different gears meshing in at different torque levels, so you're right. 

I don't see how it could have failed without something serious going pop? 

Yeah it's the standard lsd. Unless someone's whipped it out at some point lol angrymod.gif1

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It is really strange mate, you would think you would notice a difference in how she drove, and would have thought there would be some kind of noise from the box itself if something has failed. I'm gonna pm Adam see if I get a reply :wink:

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It must be a thing, because it's in the service manual.... 

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I was going to go and check at the garage yesterday, but it wasn't open when I got there. 

 

There's no honda ones available any more (surprise surprise) so it'll have to be mfactory or quaiffe. 

 

More dollar. :(

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Thinking back to a few years ago in the old car park at work, it did used to make a bit of a groaning noise going round the up ramps at full(ish) lock... banghead.gif1

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It's normal for only one wheel to turn I can assure you that. I've had loads of LSD boxes over the years and all do that including my current one.

And that works just fine 

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5 minutes ago, KiNK43 said:

It's normal for only one wheel to turn I can assure you that. I've had loads of LSD boxes over the years and all do that including my current one.

And that works just fine 

Cheers buddy.. That makes me feel a lot better. friday.gif1

 I never had a reason to doubt the performance of the LSD before, and sure as hell have made use of it plenty of times. 

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Obviously cannot account for what it says in the manual. 

But it will slip a bit before locking up.

S9b is torsen lsd rather than helical. Which I understand is almost identical but does have some minor differences which may account for its behaviour???

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Wonder if it's an issue where over time the torque needed to engage the LSD increases? 

 

Actually, just seen this on Torsen's website.. 

"When input torque is applied to a helical gear, it creates a series of thrust forces that push that gearing into the differential casing. When these forces push against the wall of the casing, that contact creates friction. As the torque load increases, so do the forces, and so friction increases in proportion to the amount of torque applied."

 

If it relies on generating friction, then friction must = wear at some point I guess. 

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Absolutely needs load applied in order to lock up.

And yes maybe required amount increases with wear. 

Unless your having an actual issue with the box tho. Personally wouldn't be splashing cash fixing something that isn't broken.

I'm gonna film a burnout now lol

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I sure won't be, thanks bud - plenty of cash splashing going on to not need any more added to the list [smash.gif]

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Can see that. Certainly getting spoilt isn't she!!!

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Every week that goes by makes my wallet cringe cry.gif1:laughing1:

Will be worth it though. Just need to persuade the insurance valuation folk... 

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Use a specialist insurer like footman James or greenlight. Should be able to have an agreed valuation you pay a little extra but not alot. 

I put 5k on mine.

 

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Eibach springs and just some standard sachs shocks. The konis were well corroded and ready for the skip. Discontinued and not to be found anywhere.

 

Will have to see how it rides. Eibach say that the springs are designed for standard shocks, so hopefully they will be okay. Can't help feel I'll miss the adjustability and firmness though.

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Might be surprised. Springs are quite nice in most cars I've known with them.

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36 minutes ago, dr_broon said:

Eibach springs and just some standard sachs shocks. The konis were well corroded and ready for the skip. Discontinued and not to be found anywhere.

 

Will have to see how it rides. Eibach say that the springs are designed for standard shocks, so hopefully they will be okay. Can't help feel I'll miss the adjustability and firmness though.

I had Eibach springs on standard shocks for a while on my car, they're good mate :)

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